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Julius Tan
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今天假突破带量下杀,看来庄家出票出得很顺利。一个反弹就可以引那么多鱼游过来了,只能说这个庄家实在懂得如何让散户买进,呵呵~
chin lua
As for me, I will do a synchronized dance with the sharks for as long as possible:-) Why the dance? You have to depend on the sharks for providing opportunities of the lowest and highest prices, which are not possible for stocks like Genting. That is, think of sharks as partners, not enemies, if you have the rock-bottom securities!
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digital teo
Q at 0.035 10,000 lot ...
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Stanley 888
U so brave still believe F will up one day. Me 2 no choice.
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chin lua
@Stanley, I was not brave; thus, no mothers, but waited patiently for the cheap PA to ease my fears:-)
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Stanley 888
Chin lua, I'm not mention u, Is digital teo
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Stanley 888
Is OK, is your own money n decision. Thanks for sharing
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chin lua
Just based on the historical prices, RM0.04 mothers are at least 15 times cheaper. But, I still have no guts for them!
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Stanley 888
Can buy in PA at 0.01???Chin lua.
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Liu Nicholas
buy only at 0.005 but no guarantee u can earn. dgb-wb expire with 0.005 too. many ppl burn their share only
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chin lua
@Stanley, if you dared to buy mothers, why not RM0.01 PA:-)
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Stanley 888
OK. Q at 0.005 for 200lot=1k
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Stanley 888
Not buying anymore Mother
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digital teo
This is the bottom for this ghost counter , but will take time at 0.04 long time
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Stanley 888
Can't keep putting money inside F. Pump at 0.15, pump 0.11, pump 0.09 n pump 0.05.Habis lo!!
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Stanley 888
Sdh kosong!! Lagi tak ada kerja
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digital teo
Company earning , dare not push ...
company losing , push to the sky
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Stanley 888
No one know what they try to do except insider n Boss. Why I din sell n keep pump in because F is making profit n cash rich Company. At last masuk longkang!!
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Jimmy Ng
Stop talking la...buy if dare
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Stanley 888
Makan lagi baik, perut boleh kenyang.
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Ct Zhang
Stanley, No worries and you are not alone. I am accompany with you ba. hahaha... just take it easy and relax. Waiting is the only way out now.
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Stanley 888
OK. OK. Bro sama2 makan KFC. I q at F PA 0.005 200lot=1k
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Ct Zhang
I won't tough PA lie. Just mother share. Mother share no expiry date ya.
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Stanley 888
OK, ok. Ct. Zhang. What is your Tp?
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ling wan thai
My tp RM 3
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Stanley 888
0.30??? Right
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Stanley 888
If rm3, can everyday sleep early.
Ling wan thai
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Ct Zhang
No Tp set at the moment, will be flexible depend on operator moves to decide. Eventually is long term, but will do mid and short term once it is a profit.
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Stanley 888
OK. Ct Zhang.
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Liu Nicholas
即使是0.005, Stanley你也要很小心哦
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chin lua
@Zhang, PA lie? You treat PA like WD! Read the original ICPS (aka Focus-PA) document first!
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chin lua
2020/11/04 Focus announcement, page 15:
"The ICPS may be converted, at the option of the holders of ICPS, into new Shares on any Market Day commencing on and including the issue date of the ICPS up to and including the Maturity Date. Any remaining ICPS that are not converted by the Maturity Date shall be mandatorily converted into new fully-paid Shares at the conversion ratio of 10 ICPS for every 1 new Share. Not redeemable for cash."
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chin lua
Clearly PA is not WD. Unlike WD, PA will be forced to become mothers after the maturity date (close to 10 years from now). Some people cannot wait for 10 years and covert their PA to mothers immediately. If you do not care about the conversion, you will wake up one day (after 10 years) finding out all your PA become mothers!
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chin lua
If you want to invest in Focus, you should read some financial documents like the 2020 or 2019 annual report!
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chin lua
Some majority share owners do not like ICPS (or PA) because they enjoy some privileges and can become mothers anytime that could threaten the owners' controlling interests.
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Liu Nicholas
他家的很多公司report都是超级漂亮。然后,大量的股票被被抛售。最好的例子就在眼前,那就是focus. 如果要看report,先说下为什么会大跌,不是大起。就有些人趁机抛售,你说呢
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Julius Tan
@Nicholas ,所以我也是一直强调不用对这些 report 太过认真,5279 那么大间的账目都有问题,这些炒股的report 有多真就要自己去思考了。
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chin lua
At the very least, you will know what are ICPS and when Credit Suisse had 14% ownership. E.g., Stanley should sleep a little bit better knowing the big shark (aka Kenneth Vun) does not abandon Focus but secretly amassing more mothers -- good news, is it not? The report has a date 5/24/2021 -- meaning Credit Suisse was trying to make retailers nervous by declaring it had abandoned Focus on 4/27/2021! You should have more strength to wait by knowing those facts!
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Julius Tan
现在我看到的都是散户开始找理由让自己握票,找到一些蛛丝马迹都无限放大来看,然后推理出一套阴谋论来告诉自己没有买/赌错。
炒股就是很简单,比投资更加少东西需要研究,那就是看懂庄家在做什么。当庄家在卖,RSI oversold 也没有用, doji 出现也没有用,好消息也没有用。
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chin lua
@Tan, even with zero knowledge, RM0.01 PA have the least risks simply because of its price. PA have been RM0.01 for many days now while mothers continue to fall. If you are so negative even for 1¢, there are no stocks for you. I did nothing wrong by telling the black-and-white facts stated in the report! You just cannot stand some readers here want Focus. For some retailers, they have no options, but to wait. Telling the truth about the 14% on page 143 is better than your sarcasm!
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Ct Zhang
Julius, 你老是说的头头是道,恨不得所有散户都快快的cutloss来迎合你的说法。让你成仙。再说,你又不玩,天天在这放炮,目的何在? 然道focus 很有钱途你放不下。。要我们cutloss, 你也的给个包赚钱的股来转换吧! 还有很多其他亏钱的股天天在上演,你都去哪救救那些可怜和迷途的羔羊吧。。在这我已经心领和受够你哪救世主的淋样了。拜托拜托
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chin lua
First of all, no retailers should invest in any shark stock if they are not comfortable or familiar. Second, if they are comfortable with Focus, for example, the best we can do is to recommend the least risky option like RM0.01 PA. For those already invested in Focus mothers at higher prices, hope is not lost by telling them the big shark is still around according to the report!
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chin lua
@Zhang, so, we are a team now against Julius? :-)
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Stanley 888
Dun against anyone here, Happy make Gd fortune. Julius only give his own opinion. Nvm chin, Ct Zhang n I in same boat.
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Stanley 888
1day sure will go up, whr got everyday down.Hope this year will go up.
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chin lua
No matter how Julius dismisses Credit Suisse, its presence in Focus is a very positive sign. Credit Suisse is also an indispensable financial instrument for Kenneth, who probably resides in HK. What happen if he earns money thru Credit Suisse? He receives HK or US dollars via HSBC, of course. What happen if he shares this precious tool with others -- a black-gold channel -- is it not?
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Julius Tan
@stanley, yes, indeed, not all people has the same point of view in here. we have pleasant time when discussed and exchanged opinion with yi hong recently. But some people cannot tahan other people talk bad on focus, but they never question themselves on bring so many retailers go Holland from high price. Hahaha!
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Ct Zhang
Stanley, Nothing wrong/lose to against him one a while since having too much time waiting for rebound. He doing the same attack too.. So, better to creates some fun/voice to kill time. His repeating over and over similar comments makes irritating even having points now but not means forever. Because up and down is a common cycle.
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Ct Zhang
Julius, no worries on me, I definately to follow your idea and suggestion to cutloss when the price is down to 0.005 or delisted to make you happy by then.
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Julius Tan
i still remember someone challenged me on he will take profit on 7sen with short term. I try not to embarrass the person by name him out, but who following our comments will know who is that person. Maybe the short term = 1 year? Wahahaha!
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Julius Tan
oh yeah, the shameless person has jumped out, wahahaha! Let me guess, now you are trapped inside Focus and only can ask other retailers buy in to push the price and let you run away? I am still waiting for your short term ya, you are free to ask retailers to help you push the price ya, wahahaha!
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Min Fan Alex Wong
Julius don't so fast jump to the conclusion. The game still not end, you never know what will happen in next few weeks or months. As long as the company still alive in bursa, it will always have rebound opportunity. It is all about timing and opportunity. As long as you have holding power and time, no harm to wait for rebound at this lowest price.
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Julius Tan
@Alex, that is my way to shoot back those shameless people as they always use abusive language to attack me. Don't take those words seriously.
If you did follow our comments, i did say to yi hong that i might join the party if banker stop distributing, but i still did not get any sign of that action yet. In my opinion, need to wait until banker change his action.....until then no need to risk your capital and wait.
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Liu Nicholas
i am on your side, Julius.
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dennis lee
Zhang, no point argue with them here. Let them win and let them say whatever they are happy with.
The more they say...the more the thing will get worst.
Just ignore them.
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Liu Nicholas
yes, proven price drop to history low right ? or raise to history high? Dennis
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Liu Nicholas
u guy really buta or prefer to buta, very funny. What Julius said becomes true.
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Min Fan Alex Wong
Our bottom line here to gain, argue here who right or wrong won't help. Time will tell, just be accountable what you did, that all. This is an adult world, not kindergarten or old folk home. Have fun trading , friends!
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Liu Nicholas
Min, did we argue, ? we just debate and discuss. Dont always think negative by using argue. we do not argue. only kid like u will say we argue. we discuss and debate
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dennis lee
Liu, I'm not going to argue with you for the sake of arguing because I gain nothing out of it. It is just a plain time wasting affair.
Before I pen down down here , I just like to remind you that you and your sifu are just wasting your time here for nothing. ...self praise is an international disgrace !
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Liu Nicholas
as i said i dont argue with anyone. only kid will argue like what Min Fan Alex Wong said just now
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Min Fan Alex Wong
Liu, different level of thinking, u win
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Liu Nicholas
Alex, yaloh. different level of thinking,你说的很对。 有些人看好这个counter买了很多,输大钱。有的人从一开始都不认为,所以没买。你说我赢,又真的是对了。我从一开始就没买这个 counter。 没输就是赢。我只是认为Julius的看法对,支持他的看法。仅此而已。
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dennis lee
我也是找点饭菜钱的小卒,小卒就要做小卒的角色,不乱吹水,会吓坏人的,没人来抬高股价,我去那里找吃? 偷只鸡都难...lol.
说话要凭实事,不知道事情的真相就不要做定论, 说财务报表有问题 出老千,有时讲错话还会给人告上法庭,哪就划不来了。
我只知道蛊世里有两种人 :
第一种人 :买了股就整天喊huat ah ..huat ah gg..lu...有信心。
第二种人 : 还没买,但要来个海底捞月, 每天在这里点火加油,大喊公司要倒了,老板是老千要跑路了...
事不关己,天下好心人又有几个,还不是为了自己想发大财.....哈哈哈..
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dennis lee
cut-lost 的已经cl了, 要进场的也被吓坏了, 这里没戏看了。
老陈和老刘的目地已达到了,赢了吹炮战,还不罢休 ? 请你们俩老的到别的老千counter,做个好心人给大伙们分析分析一下,那一只股是老千股? 是抬高股价来套散户的烂股...哈哈哈哈哈。
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dennis lee
别忘了,猜测不準会被打脸的,猜到了 没钱赚,白忙一场。
吃力不讨好 ....lol.
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Julius Tan
好一个paper loss 啊!前几天才看到有人在 FB post 了 SAPNRG 亏了96% 的 paper loss 。这个就是散户的迷思,不卖就不亏,就算握了10年,差不多paper loss 完了,但是坚持认为不卖就不算亏,哇哈哈哈哈!
只能说坚持paper loss 的人不知道cut loss 的用处跟策略,只是会把头埋进沙里的鸵鸟。
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Tan Kim Lai
Guys after days of debates, maybe we are inside the ring of "elephant fight elephant grass will suffer" situations. Fintec did not sell their stakes & their last acquired on 6/5/2021. Within 30 shareholders, maybe within shareholder not happy and trying to sabotage by margin call game on major shareholder by drastic shares price drops. I maybe wrong. But is good we stays sideline to keep monitor the price movement. Please avoid personal attack remark. Thank you...
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Ct Zhang
@Tan Kim Lai, Agreed with your point of view. No better choice than waiting if holding power since already bought some at lower price but not bottom. Wish to see the price turn around after the elephants fight.
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Liu Nicholas
有个杂种一直骂人是pokkai,有娘生,没娘养,没娘教。看来这个人的娘不是妓女就是骚货。看谁对号入座,哈哈哈哈
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Liu Nicholas
我看这个人会不会认自己是骂人pokkai的人,这样的小伎俩还自以为自己很厉害,zhang你说是不是,哈哈哈
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TUI Nia Ma
哇塞。。。被人骂扑街没蛋就好,还惹来HKC死剩种. 好绝呢。你这欠屌的可怜虫值得同情吗? 这回祖坟可真是要冒青烟啦。是时候该收声了吧,让你祖宗和还活着的人好过点。
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Liu Nicholas
CT zhang,我有说你吗?别对号入座哦,哈哈哈哈
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Liu Nicholas
要跟人玩,就要玩得起。。别人家一开口,你就对号入座哦。对了,刚刚你不是说Julius自己承认吗? 好心你啦,这样的道行。我就知道你会忍不住,自己跳进来
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Liu Nicholas
不过我不是说你哦,我是说那个骂人pokkai的人,那人是你吗? 一定不是对吧,哈哈哈哈
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Liu Nicholas
如果是你,你就真的是没娘教的
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TUI Nia Ma
Nicholas, Zhang所说的扑街和没蛋是嫌弃你穷和没胆量。你就勇敢一点买点Focus 来证明你好rich and brave lah. 干嘛咒人家的娘呢。你那教养也是有限公司 Sdn Bhd 咯。
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TUI Nia Ma
说白了,有谁不是冲着Focus想赚钱而来的。没人想输包括庄家也是如此。所以那些高位早买cutloss的,现在只能少亏当赢,等好时机再进厂翻盘。至于那些有本事有能力拿票等待的,希望他守的云开见明月,最后能赚就好。还有那些迟迟还没买进的,等候好时机就一举大买大卖大赚一场是可喜可贺。简单来说就是各取所需,最终大家都是赚就皆大欢喜,好事一宗不是吗?分享分析品论心得本质是好,但硬生生把自己那套大道理以不可一世的心态绞尽脑汁想套在别人身上争第一,你说能赚钱的吗? 好好想想去吧。。。呵呵
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罗德强
坦白說如果我没票,看也不看这里。一直吵吵闹闹哎
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Liu Nicholas
Tui, 我不跟那只野人计较的。免得玷污自己。我不会买Focus,等下他家 split就死定了
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Julius Tan
@Nicholas,tui nia ma 是 ct zhang 的小号来的,每次他理亏的时候就会用小号来制造有人认同他的假象来的。两个 account 的攻击手法跟语气都很相近的。不过就看得出两个 account 的金融知识都不高,说不出什么分析跟道理。我在这里大胆预测,ct zhang 一定会在这个股亏很多钱,然后永远抱着他的paper loss 过一生,哈哈哈哈!
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Kingli Soh
Use homily chart then can know shark inside or not
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Weiloon Lee
在这边纸上谈兵有什么用?手上又没票,再跌也没你们事 升也没你们事, 所以你们2个在这做什么大师呢?买进这个股 我们有钱有时间升也好亏也好有你们什么事?今晚还在想要下英格兰还是克罗地亚 头疼啊 有什么意见啊 放球 还是吃球啊
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Liu Nicholas
@zhang,既然气到现在,原本以为你是男人,应该可以撑得住气。现在看来你比女人还女人。男儿身,女儿心,哈哈哈。你就继续气,能让人生气到爆也真的是我的能力之一
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Julius Tan
看来还有很多人对这股存有幻想,希望一切只是庄家洗盘,很快就可以解套甚至是有钱赚。
如我之前所说的,庄家一直都在卖票,甚至做量引诱散户买入。庄家做了那么多,我不认为被套的散户可以在短中期内全身而退。
股价冬眠已经是最好的结果,更差的可以是后面有大事发生然后除牌。
我的建议是如果没有其它股想买就握着,如果有其他股有机会应该选择慢慢退场,把资本放在有机会的地方。
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Liu Nicholas
我觉得卖掉focus去买serbadk-c,更便宜然后更有机会上。Focus就算了吧
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chin lua
Do not rely on anyone's opinions (including me) -- trust the evidence available & logical reasoning. E.g., Credit Suisse, no doubt, is the main shark. On 4/27/2021, Credit Suisse had 0% Focus (original 10%). If Focus were a gone case, Credit Suisse would have gone as well! But, 2020 Annual Report (required 5/31/2021 audit announcement) "unintentionally" reveals that Credit Suisse had "secretly" acquired 14% (page 143) as at 5/24/2021 -- why came back? Those are facts, not stories or opinions!
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chin lua
Those who do not bother to read or reason anything may say the 14% stake is a trick to deceive you -- really? You will be the judge, not the "lazy" naysayers:-) In fact, one can argue by now Credit Suisse "could" have at least 25% since there were 14 full-trading days after 5/24/2021!
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dennis lee
chin lua, pls don waste your time here to entertain this type of people, Mr I'm-always-right. He is here guessing around, frightened off all investors and try to destroy Focus with all cost.....lol. sick people! nothing better to do.
Just ignore him.
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chin lua
I think facts and reasoning speak louder. They assume the readers here are dumb -- I do not!
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chin lua
Another undeniable reasoning is that why you need to pick and guess other stocks if they are expensive, and not at the bottom? Also, unlike other Fintec-related companies (all reds), you still see "green color" (aka profit) in Focus:-)
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chin lua
If Serbadk-WA was 1¢ now, it might be worthwhile to bet that the accounting scandal would be resolved!
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Min Fan Alex Wong
Chin, when Focus big shark will do something to limit up? Btw are you going to attend Focus AGM to clarify with those big shark their next move? I think now almost time to fly, they should most of the stocks aready
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chin lua
Buying RM0.01 PA for 100,000 shares are just RM1K, not a lot of money! Or you can just try RM100, if 1K are too much! That way, you will have a ticket to cheer the same team:-)
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chin lua
@Min, Kenneth Vun, the mastermind, will not be there:-) I cannot call him for the next move! Interestingly, the AGM was scheduled in September. They moved it up suddenly for an urgent matter (just guessing)? Perhaps, the 1-to-3 split that needs shareholders' approval (another guessing)?
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Min Fan Alex Wong
chin I buy far far more than you mentioned for mother and PA. For 0.005 sen PA drop , I already lose 20k.
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Min Fan Alex Wong
I tot AGM happen on July?
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chin lua
@Min, 2021/05/28 Focus announcement asked the AGM to be held on September 22.
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chin lua
@Min, you have been observing RM0.01 PA for many days now. How often the PA would drop to 0.005? Those who decided to invest 0.01 are kind of "trapped":-) You will lose 50% if you dump! A good news and reassurance for a long-term holder! Also, there are exactly 903,563,292 PA shares left now, and most of them are not sharks'; thus, smashing all PA to 0.005 is a very tall order:-)
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Min Fan Alex Wong
chin, where you can get info Abt PA shareholder s, mainly not shark? Btw, at current mother price, no ppls would like to convert to mother, supposedly mother shd be 0.1 ,to match with 0.01 PA
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chin lua
@Min, it is on page 146 and 147 of the annual report. Most top-30 are individual names, not nominees, like in mothers. Also, there were no updated PA conversions on or after 5/31/2021. So, the total PA on top of page 146 is current.
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